Stripes
Freshman
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03-20-07 11:31 PM - Post#33820
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2806262
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dpostm92
Senior
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Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-20-07 11:34 PM - Post#33821
In response to Stripes
What a way for him, Walters, and the rest of P-U to save face on this!
Seriously, as Penn fan, I'm thrilled. It's disappointing when the Quakers get a poor seed in the NCAA tournament due to the fact that beating Princeton actually lowers Penn's RPI.
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91Quake
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-20-07 11:56 PM - Post#33822
In response to dpostm92
Congratulations!!!! I didn't mind having you guys as the doormat for a couple of years but it is better for everyone for Princeton to have a strong program. Nice to see the AD not let this drag on too long. Best of luck.
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Philsoc8
Freshman
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Reg: 12-23-05
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 12:46 AM - Post#33823
In response to 91Quake
Jumped or Pushed?
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Dial Lodge
Sophomore
Posts: 170
Reg: 03-08-07
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 02:42 AM - Post#33824
In response to Philsoc8
Pushed, but in a nice way.
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nix23
goober
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Loc: NJ
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 11:55 AM - Post#33825
In response to Dial Lodge
Joe Scott is gone, looks like Christmas came early for us Princeton fans this year. Good riddance.
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mmp629
Junior
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Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 12:19 PM - Post#33826
In response to nix23
Quote:
Joe Scott is gone, looks like Christmas came early for us Princeton fans this year. Good riddance.
Yay for Princeton players and fans!!! I am so happy on one level, but I still fell awful for what the players have had to deal with over the past three years.
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Red n Blue
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 12:41 PM - Post#33827
In response to mmp629
Congratulations to the Princeton basketball and their fans for finally being able to put the Joe Scott nightmare behind them. It will be interesting to see who Princeton takes as their next coach. I expect it will still be someone with Princeton ties which limits the field a bit. Actually, the coach at Monmouth runs the Princeton offense pretty well-- he probably would be a pretty good choice.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 12:45 PM - Post#33828
In response to Red n Blue
Does he have ties tho?
Which brings up another question...by now, there are a number of programs running some sort of P'ton offense with no ties to Princeton. What do PU fans think about that kind of coach?
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Red n Blue
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 12:55 PM - Post#33829
In response to SFlaQuaker
Quote:
Does he have ties tho?
Which brings up another question...by now, there are a number of programs running some sort of P'ton offense with no ties to Princeton. What do PU fans think about that kind of coach?
The Monmouth Coach is Dave Calloway and he looks to be a Monmouth guy through and through having played there.
I think Princeton could probably get Mooney away from Richmond pretty easily. Chris did well at Air Force, but I wonder if his results at Richmond would be held against him. I also wonder if his ties to Joe Scott might be held against him having apprenticed under Scott-- I'm sure Princeton wants to break from Scott as cleanly as possible. In Chris' favor, I don't think there's ever been a hint of the abrasiveness that Scott exhibited.
Carmody's unlikely to come back--he already had this job. I could see Princeton trying to make a play for Craig Robinson and I have no idea how that would go down.
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Stripes
Freshman
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Loc: Boston
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 01:20 PM - Post#33830
In response to Red n Blue
I'm a big fan of Chris Mooney as a person, but I don't think he'd be the right coach. If he has success, I think it will lead to a quick departure (he certainly has that track record). And it would be nice to - at least possibly - have some continuity of a successful coach. That was a big potential plus of Scott 3 years ago (oh, how times change).
Carmody makes far too much money to walk away. And it doesn't appear that he is being pushed.
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Red n Blue
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 01:43 PM - Post#33831
In response to Stripes
Quote:
I'm a big fan of Chris Mooney as a person, but I don't think he'd be the right coach. If he has success, I think it will lead to a quick departure (he certainly has that track record). And it would be nice to - at least possibly - have some continuity of a successful coach. That was a big potential plus of Scott 3 years ago (oh, how times change).
Carmody makes far too much money to walk away. And it doesn't appear that he is being pushed.
It's always a hard decision as to whether to take a coach who might view the position as a stepping stone. But I think that if you can get a coach in who has the kind of success that enables him to move on, you will have had the benefits of the wins while he is at Princeton. If ambition is the motavator, so be it, at least you get good coaching in the interim. I'll be very interested in seeing how this all plays out. I know very little about the present Assistants. When our "failing" coach Tom Schneider moved on, Penn hired on of his Assistants, Fran Dunphy as the Head Coach. But the key to that hiring, IMHO, was that Dunphy had put in time as an Assistant to Gary Williams at American U. So if either of your Assistants has good experience as an Assistant somewhere, other than as an assistant to Scott, the Assistant could be a good option.
All of this assumes that you still want to use the Princeton offense (which I expect is the case). If not, the field becomes much more open. If I were hiring and free to hire regardless of Princeton ties or ties to the offense, I would probably hire the top D-II or D-III guy I could find (like Brown did originally in hiring Glen Miller). I think that gives the opportunity to hire someone with head coaching experience and experience in winning but still likely to accept the job. The other thing you could do is look at the candidates that didn't get the Penn job, since Penn is the other marquee program in the league.
If I was required to use the offense but not hire someone with Princeton ties, I'd take a good look at Calloway at Monmouth. Carril had no Princeton ties when he was hired, so I think that if you want to use the Princeton offense, it shouldn't matter so much whether the candidate actually has Princeton ties.
If you are restricted to both ties as well as the offense the list becomes much smaller-- there may be others, but I'm coming up with Craig Robinson, Chris Mooney, Sydney Johnson and Mike Brennan.
Good luck in the search and congratulations again on the end of the Joe Scott era. Whoever ultimately gets the job, my guess is that you will see substantial improvement just by virtue of lessened attrition.
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Old Bear
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 02:19 PM - Post#33832
In response to Red n Blue
Princeton must be one of the few places where a prior Princeton connection is considered a prerequisite. I've got a suggestion, how about Glen Miller?
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Red n Blue
Masters Student
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 02:30 PM - Post#33833
In response to Old Bear
Quote:
Princeton must be one of the few places where a prior Princeton connection is considered a prerequisite. I've got a suggestion, how about Glen Miller?
While I realize the suggestion is made in jest (and perhaps to deflect attention away from Robinson), I can't see why Miller would abandon a position where he has won an Ivy Championship to go to a struggling program in the same league.
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section110
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 02:32 PM - Post#33834
In response to Stripes
I would be surprised if Mooney would leave Richmond after one year, despite doing so at Air Force. He is in a much higher profile league. Depite this year's record, Richmond may well be on the upswing. I saw them in the A10 Tournament almost knock off Fordham. Richmond started three freshman. One, Geriot, is 6'9" & scored about 30. Richmond could be a hot team in a couple of years. Only the alma mater tug would seem to be working for Princeton.
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Anonymous
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 03:07 PM - Post#33835
In response to section110
According to the Trenton Times, Sydney Johnson is being touted as an early favorite. Rob Burke, the other JT3 assistant at Georgetown, has more experience though. Certainly Johnson or Burke would make sense given their connection to Princeton and the rise to prominence of JT3 and Georgetown.
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Red n Blue
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-21-07 04:04 PM - Post#33836
In response to
I agree that going to a JT III Assistant makes a lot of sense for Princeton. It maintains the Princeton connection without getting someone tied to Scott. It also provides a tie to a recent time when Princeton experienced success.
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Redfish
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 01:07 AM - Post#33837
In response to Red n Blue
Dunphy was not Gary Wiliams' assistant at AU - they were both assistant coaches.
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Red n Blue
Masters Student
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 06:03 PM - Post#33838
In response to Redfish
Quote:
Dunphy was not Gary Wiliams' assistant at AU - they were both assistant coaches.
Who were they Assistants to? Wasn't it someone who became well known?
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 06:09 PM - Post#33839
In response to Red n Blue
He did assist under Williams at American.
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AsiaSunset
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 06:26 PM - Post#33840
In response to Red n Blue
Vegas money is being placed on Burke or Johnson.
Forget the national search smoke screen.
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Red n Blue
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 06:54 PM - Post#33841
In response to AsiaSunset
Quote:
Vegas money is being placed on Burke or Johnson.
Forget the national search smoke screen.
If I was betting money, I'd say Johnson. I still think they ought to look at Dave Calloway at Monmouth. He's a NJ guy, he knows the Princeton offense, he's taken a team to the NCAAs, he has D-I coaching experience and I think he'd be likely to take the job.
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Chuck
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 07:15 PM - Post#33842
In response to Red n Blue
What does "knowing the Princeton offense" have to do with this decision? The idea that PU should only hire coaches willing to run the "system" is just plain silly. If PU hires another PU guy, because he will run the "system", you realy have to wonder what the powers at PU are thinking.
It's one thing for an Ivy school to hae a philosophy about the role of athletics, treatment of student-athletes, etc. It's another to have a dogmatic commitment to a style of offense. It limits their choices of who to hire as a coach and shrinks the available pool of recruits to an even smaller number than it already is (which is pretty damn small).
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10Q
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 07:22 PM - Post#33843
In response to Chuck
Isn't Albert Einstein III available?
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Red n Blue
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 07:24 PM - Post#33844
In response to Chuck
Quote:
What does "knowing the Princeton offense" have to do with this decision? The idea that PU should only hire coaches willing to run the "system" is just plain silly. If PU hires another PU guy, because he will run the "system", you realy have to wonder what the powers at PU are thinking.
It's one thing for an Ivy school to hae a philosophy about the role of athletics, treatment of student-athletes, etc. It's another to have a dogmatic commitment to a style of offense. It limits their choices of who to hire as a coach and shrinks the available pool of recruits to an even smaller number than it already is (which is pretty damn small).
Chuck, I agree that Princeton would do better to throw the candidacy open so as to find the best coach, rather than the best coach running the Princeton offense. To that end, I have already suggested (on other threads) that they look at one of the D-II coaches--perhaps the guy at Bentley or Mike Leaf at Winona State. However, my sense is that Princeton is not ready to move away from the Princeton offense at this time. Right now the perception would be that the problem is Scott and not the Princeton offense-- particularly since it is run with success in other places. So it was on that basis that I suggested that Princeton should take a look at Dave Calloway, the Monmouth coach. If Princeton is willing to cast a wider net, I think they'd be wise to look for a successful D-II or D-III coach. It all depends on the constraints that Princeton chooses to place upon the hiring process.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 07:25 PM - Post#33845
In response to Red n Blue
Tarkanian!
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joe nassau
Sophomore
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Reg: 02-13-05
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 07:40 PM - Post#33846
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Tarkanian would be perfect for Princeton. I can remember years ago at UNLV he was trying to recruit a 6-10 guy who was incarcerated in a youth detention facility in Ca. Seriously, why not an ex-pro guy. The Ivys sent van Breda Koff, Daly, and I guess you could count Carril so why not return the favor? Look at what Jeff Bzdelik has done at Air Force. I watched part of the Air Force- Depaul NIT game last night and the current Air Force team is no bigger than PU, although they seemed a step or so faster. Now according to ESPN, Bzdelik may be headed to Colorado and presumably a bigger paycheck. So if a mediocre pro coach like Bzdelik can do this well, why not someone like Stan van Gundy? I'm only half-kidding. Whoever it is, you need someone to come in and really re-evaluate the whole Princeton approach, like what do you do when you don't have a lot of good three-point shooters on the team?
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Brian Martin
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 07:58 PM - Post#33847
In response to joe nassau
They won't run the Princeton offense. They will run the Georgetown offense.
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Dmon826
Masters Student
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 08:28 PM - Post#33848
In response to Brian Martin
the present georgetown offense is simply the princeton offense + talent. currently gtown has a highly skilled post player (hibbert), a highly skilled high post player (green), and some great shooters (for example, wallace). and the offense allows these talented players tremendous flexibility to utilize those talents within a general pton offense construct. that said, on the princeton roster, there are no great post players, high post players, shooters, and we can all generally agree that the overall talent level is the lowest it's been there in years. that said, running the "georgetown" offense at princeton right now is pretty much impossible. it's a great long-term goal perhaps, but the talent needs to be there first.
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AsiaSunset
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 09:08 PM - Post#33849
In response to Dmon826
I've seen them about 5 times this year on TV. They spread the offense, but they don't look much like Princeton to me. Hibbert is no point center and Green plays a lot on the high post, but can pop out or post up low. I don't think it's all that similar to the classic PU offense we are use to. What's similar is the spacing and an occasional back door cut - but then one can say we play the PU offense as well if that's where the similarity stops. JT3 has adapted the PU philosophy to fit his talent and has modernized the approach to suit top D1 players temperments. He's done a great job down there.
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SRP
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 09:37 PM - Post#33850
In response to AsiaSunset
JTIII Is adaptable. When Georgetown played and upset Duke last year, they faced heavy overplay man-to-man pressure, so there were lots of backdoors. When teams sag back or play zone, on the other hand, Georgetown will look for post-ups and drives and even mid-range jumpers.
BTW, I've seen a couple of Air Force's NIT games (the blowout over Austin Peay and the squeaker over DePaul). Backdoor threats are constant and the spacing is wide, but they do a lot of one-on-one drives where the defense is to spread out to help. Some of those guys are really good at driving and reverse pivoting near the rim to turn it into almost a low-post play.
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Brian Martin
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 09:56 PM - Post#33851
In response to AsiaSunset
You don't see many backcuts only because no one in their right mind plays man defense against Georgetown. Against man to man, you will see bounces passes off the dribble for dunks.
Thompson teaches the Princeton offense skills and reads, drills them until they figure it out, and then lets them play. That is why they are much better in March than they were in December. They figure it out themselves until it becomes natural to play that way.
When a Georgetown player makes a mistake due to indecision, Thompson is likely to call him over to the sideline and say, "Just play."
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Chip Bayers
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-22-07 11:28 PM - Post#33852
In response to Brian Martin
In that sense, it is as much John Wooden's UCLA high post offense as it is Carril's Princeton offense as it is Bob Knight's Army/Indiana/Texas Tech offense. Motion offense is motion offense is motion offense.
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palestra38
Professor
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-23-07 12:04 AM - Post#33853
In response to Chip Bayers
Yes it is, and it wins when it has more talent than the other guy.
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Brian Martin
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-23-07 03:37 PM - Post#33854
In response to palestra38
Thompson himself says that the "stuff" they run is not much different than what other teams run. In today's Washington Post, Georgetown guard Jessie Sapp says this about Vanderbilt:
"They run pretty much the same stuff we run, it's just that they added a little flavor to theirs, where they have a lot of shooters. They run a lot of pitch-backs and shoot the ball."
The big difference between different versions of motion offense is how much of it the coach scripts. It seems to me that teams that run a lot of scripted plays tend to peak early, while the unscripted teams figure out the offense and each other as the season goes on.
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palestra38
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-23-07 04:26 PM - Post#33855
In response to Brian Martin
Well, I agree with you certainly that teams that have more freedom to depart the script are more likely to win a second time they see a team. I still think, notwithstanding any "system" that talent wins. I know we've had this discussion before, but notwithstanding the Princeton (NY Times) mystique, Princeton has won the Ivies when it had more talent than Penn and vice versa. Actually, the only time that didn't play out that I can recall is Scott's first year, when Princeton clearly had more talent yet lost. There now appears to be a solid explanation for that.
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Brian Martin
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-23-07 05:14 PM - Post#33856
In response to palestra38
No argument there, except maybe to expand the definition of talent. Some players develop skills that make them better players than other guys with more raw talent. Some coaches inhibit talent by forcing players into a predetermined role.
Thompson has a record of taking good athletes and making them better players by developing their skills.
Scott's biggest error in 04-05 was to take away Will Venable's athletic advantage in individual matchups by sticking him into a position scripted for a spot-up shooter and zone defender.
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palestra38
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-23-07 05:57 PM - Post#33857
In response to Brian Martin
No argument that JT III is a great coach...and also a great motivator. However, when you look at the talent on your 2004 team, with Venable, Wallace, Logan, Stephens and Greenman and freshmen Schaen, Schaeffer, Owings and Stittmatter...then to have Savage, Buffmire, Koncz and Conway come in the following year, it's amazing how the team tanked. At least it's amazing until you see how many players quit the team.
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Brian Martin
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-23-07 06:13 PM - Post#33858
In response to palestra38
I agree, but I just want to point out some of those guys were not nearly as good as freshmen as they later became through their own hard work to improve their skills.
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Howard Gensler
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-23-07 06:15 PM - Post#33859
In response to palestra38
Of the guys you mentioned, the only ones who stopped playing basketball were Schaen and Schaeffer. The others just stopped playing as well as they had previously.
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SRP
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-23-07 09:04 PM - Post#33860
In response to Howard Gensler
Motion offenses are not all the same. They can call for totally different skill sets from the players. Bobby Knight's approach puts a huge emphasis on physical screens, both on and off the ball. You don't see nearly as much of that in the Princeton-type offenses. Some motion offenses are designed to create lots of mid-range jump shots, also not a specialty of the Princeton system. And when was the last time you saw a Princeton or Air Force or Georgetown player run a curl turning into the lane?
But, yep, better players are the most important thing. How they get better (and what the coach defines as "better") is, as Brian points out, pretty important in assessing coaches.
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Chip Bayers
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-23-07 11:00 PM - Post#33861
In response to SRP
Of course, no one said motion offenses are all the same.
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SRP
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-29-07 10:49 PM - Post#33862
In response to Chip Bayers
Chip, you said above (3/22 7:28) that "motion offense is motion offense is motion offense." So YOU said that they are all the same.
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Chip Bayers
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-30-07 12:40 AM - Post#33863
In response to SRP
Quote:
Chip, you said above (3/22 7:28) that "motion offense is motion offense is motion offense." So YOU said that they are all the same.
If you're going to quote me, please don't quote me selectively and out-of-context.
Read the post by Brian Martin I replied to. Then read my reply. Brian wasn't talking about particular sets, or whether one approach emphasized cutting while another emphasized screening while another emphasized spacing. Brian's post is about what players are expected to do. My reply starts with the phrase "In that sense." Did you miss that? In that sense, what Wooden taught is what Carril taught is what Knight still teaches.
All the players on the floor, using a shared base of knowledge taught by the coaches over the course of a season, are expected to be able to read and react to what the opposition is showing them, and then, as Brian quotes Thompson, "just play." That's how all motion offenses are the same.
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picknroll
Freshman
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-30-07 01:55 AM - Post#33864
In response to SRP
"And when was the last time you saw a Princeton or Air Force or Georgetown player run a curl turning into the lane?"
The downscreen component of both the "Chin" and "Rub" series in the Princeton offense allows the man receiving the screen to curl if he reads the defender following in his footsteps as he comes off the screen.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-30-07 11:56 AM - Post#33865
In response to picknroll
Can you explain this a little more fully? Are we talking a screen for the dribbler? Or is this a screen off the ball? And has a "switch" occurred, or is this in the circumstance where the defender is trying to slide by the screen?
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picknroll
Freshman
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-30-07 02:41 PM - Post#33866
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
You have a wing-block-elbow triangle with the ball on the wing. The wing passes to the man on the elbow (usually the Big). After the pass, he sets a downscreen for the man on the block, who has four choices, based on how he reads his defender:
If the defender follows him under the screen, he curls to the basket for a pass;
if the defender gets caught up on the screen, he pops to the wing for a pass;
if the defender goes over the top of the screen, he fades to the short corner for a shot or post feed to the screener;
if the defender anticipates the screen and beats the cutter to the screen, that keys a backcut for an open layup;
If there's a switch, that presents a fifth option -- the screener seals the block man's defender for a post up and possible high-low pass.
And heaven help the defender who falls asleep guarding the big, who has the option of taking his man off the dribble in that situation. Judson Wallace was a master at that -- fake a pass, spin into the lane, money.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-30-07 04:40 PM - Post#33867
In response to picknroll
Well, thanks for the description. I now know for a fact how little I know about basketball. Nothing there I can use for my Sunday morning pick-up games.
The only thing I recognize in all that is yes, I loved Judson Wallace in the Pre-Scott era.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: The Joe Scott Era is Over
03-30-07 04:41 PM - Post#33868
In response to picknroll
Now I know how little I know about basketball, and YES, I loved Judson in the pre-Scott era.
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