Stripes
Freshman
Posts: 62
Loc: Boston
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-21-07 12:23 AM - Post#33870
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SFlaQuaker
Postdoc
Posts: 2427
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 12:25 AM - Post#33871
In response to Stripes
Why not JTIII? He's about as likely as Carril or Carmody.
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Stripes
Freshman
Posts: 62
Loc: Boston
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 12:26 AM - Post#33872
In response to Stripes
Actually, the best of all might be Rob Burke. Spent enough time as JTIII's assistant that he qualifies from a lineage perspective (for those to whom this matters) and could bring back the magic. Also, I think I remember hearing that he was a great recruiter.
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Philsoc8
Freshman
Posts: 40
Reg: 12-23-05
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 12:48 AM - Post#33873
In response to Stripes
I second the nomination for Rob Burke. Carmody wasn't a Princeton alum so that shouldn't be a strike against Burke.
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Redfish
Masters Student
Posts: 767
Loc: under a bridge in Phoenix...
Reg: 11-26-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 02:09 AM - Post#33874
In response to Stripes
How about a higher profile version of Joe Scott: Matt Doherty!
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10Q
Professor
Posts: 23512
Loc: Suburban Philly
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 02:38 AM - Post#33875
In response to Redfish
Is there a JTIV? I nominate him.
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The Willow
Masters Student
Posts: 402
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 05:56 AM - Post#33876
In response to 10Q
Can I nominate myself? Even wanting Princeton to lose I bet I could do a better job.
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Red n Blue
Masters Student
Posts: 898
Loc: South Jersey
Reg: 11-29-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 12:45 PM - Post#33877
In response to The Willow
I am going to throw my hat in the ring for the Princeton head coaching job. While I have no actual experience, I have won three consecutive NCAA championships on my Playstation-2 in NCAA March Madness 2007. 
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Howard Gensler
Postdoc
Posts: 4141
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 12:49 PM - Post#33878
In response to Red n Blue
Steve Merk?
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AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts: 4366
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 01:44 PM - Post#33879
In response to Philsoc8
I think you nalied it. RB makes a lot of sense.
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Tigers
newbie
Posts: 13
Reg: 01-11-05
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 01:50 PM - Post#33880
In response to Stripes
Johnson without a doubt.
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Bill Lewis
Senior
Posts: 304
Reg: 12-23-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 02:07 PM - Post#33881
In response to Tigers
Richard Barron.
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Howard Gensler
Postdoc
Posts: 4141
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 02:09 PM - Post#33882
In response to AsiaSunset
Rob Burke may make sense from Princeton's view but does Princeton make sense from Burke's view?
If he's looking to coach at D1 at the highest level, there can be little argument that a few more years at G-town will serve him better than a few years of rebuilding at Princeton.
Plus, now that he's tasted the world of scholarships and big-time athletes, would he want to go back? It's not like he's a Princeton alum.
Additionally, Burke's recruiting prowess is all tied to JT3. It's not like he's one of those guys who goes from staff to staff bringing along blue-chippers.
Could be a good choice but I wouldn't leave Georgetown for Princeton under these circumstances.
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Bruno
PhD Student
Posts: 1423
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 02:30 PM - Post#33883
In response to Howard Gensler
I disagree. Being an assistant at a big time school, even a successful one, pales in comparison to being a head coach at a D1 school - particularly one with as storied a past as Princeton. (Look at Miller; he left Connecticut for the head coaching job at a D3 school.)
Princeton's head coaching role is a much higher profile position nationally and regionally than Georgetown's assistant is.
Plus, it's not like you can do worse than the guy who preceded you at Princeton. Burke would be in "rescue" mode, and would be given plenty of slack given what he's inheriting.
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Red n Blue
Masters Student
Posts: 898
Loc: South Jersey
Reg: 11-29-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 05:41 PM - Post#33884
In response to Bruno
Two guys I'd look at if I was Princeton:
Dave Calloway head coach at Monmouth (knows Princeton offense but has no Princeton lineage).
Mike Leaf, head coach at Winona State, a very successful D-II coach. No Princeton ties or experience with the Princeton offense that I know of so this option is pretty far "outside the box."
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SFlaQuaker
Postdoc
Posts: 2427
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 05:46 PM - Post#33885
In response to Red n Blue
Who is Carnegie Mellon's head coach?
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Red n Blue
Masters Student
Posts: 898
Loc: South Jersey
Reg: 11-29-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 05:54 PM - Post#33886
In response to SFlaQuaker
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Who is Carnegie Mellon's head coach?
That would be Bill Wingen. His overall record in 17 seasons is 199-246. At Carnegie Mellow he has coached for 16 years and his record is 178-218. I don't think I'd look at him.
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vince curran
Freshman
Posts: 18
Reg: 12-01-05
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 06:13 PM - Post#33887
In response to Red n Blue
I did a Winona game for CSTV this year and spent about an hour with Coach Leaf. VERY unlikely he leaves Winona. Especially for Princeton. He is from Minnesota (Actually from Winona and loves it there). University of Minnesota? Now that might be another story.
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Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts: 4006
Reg: 11-23-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 06:41 PM - Post#33888
In response to Red n Blue
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Who is Carnegie Mellon's head coach?
That would be Bill Wingen. His overall record in 17 seasons is 199-246. At Carnegie Mellow he has coached for 16 years and his record is 178-218. I don't think I'd look at him.
I think his name is Tony Wingren, he was a volunteer assistant at Brown in the 80s.
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Red n Blue
Masters Student
Posts: 898
Loc: South Jersey
Reg: 11-29-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 06:45 PM - Post#33889
In response to Old Bear
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Who is Carnegie Mellon's head coach?
That would be Bill Wingen. His overall record in 17 seasons is 199-246. At Carnegie Mellow he has coached for 16 years and his record is 178-218. I don't think I'd look at him.
I think his name is Tony Wingren, he was a volunteer assistant at Brown in the 80s.
We'll split the difference-- Tony Wingen. You are correct that he was an Assistant at Brown from 1985-1986. You can read his bio, here- http://www.cmu.edu/athletic/basketball_men/basketball_men_coach.htm
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Red n Blue
Masters Student
Posts: 898
Loc: South Jersey
Reg: 11-29-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 07:17 PM - Post#33890
In response to vince curran
Quote:
I did a Winona game for CSTV this year and spent about an hour with Coach Leaf. VERY unlikely he leaves Winona. Especially for Princeton. He is from Minnesota (Actually from Winona and loves it there). University of Minnesota? Now that might be another story.
OK. Fair enough but it never hurts to ask. A D-2 coach who might be more likely to accept would be Jay Lawson at Bentley College. Lawson was a Dartmouth Assistant in 1984-85. His bio is here- http://www.bentley.edu/athletics/varsity_sports/m-basketball/coach.cfm Lawson might be a better candidate for the Harvard vacancy (rather than Princeton) given Bentley's location and the fact that one of his former players is apparently coaching at Harvard.
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Howard Gensler
Postdoc
Posts: 4141
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-21-07 08:12 PM - Post#33891
In response to Red n Blue
Wasn't Sullivan from Bentley? Would not expect Harvard to go back to that well.
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Acobj
newbie
Posts: 12
Reg: 05-21-06
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-22-07 01:40 AM - Post#33892
In response to Red n Blue
Bill Taylor,Lehigh realistic and understands Ivy Recruiting.May even understand Walters. Glen Miller, Penn. After all he has shown Bedouin instincts and Princeton can pay more than Penn so Miller can again be a rebuilder. Jadwin packed, Miller coat off screaming and the "Princeton Offense" history. The coach at Williams who Brown passed up. From little Acorns do great teams grow and they are more Princeton oriented at Williams. Jim Calhoun. If the pay is great he would pasture out while incurring the eternal gratitude of a now worn and quite ordinary Princeton program. Would save Walters from having to hire a young coach who would be vigorous, snappy, his own man and demanding of support from the Athletic and Admisssions arenas. Frank Sullivan. He has a real basketball facillity and people who give a damn whether you play on wood not ice.He is skilled, a good recruiter and understands the Ivy League. Walters stuns the night talk shows with this one and Sullivan takes Princeton to a title and an NCAA win while Harvard agonizes and continues to make excuses for a non program Ah Gary stick that one in Scalise's ear. Pete Carril for two years solely to restore credibility, bring the offense back for the purists and create the aroma of good cigars.
And the winner is Pat Summit. Walters shows the world he is not a crusty,snobish veteran of another age while being absolutely politically correct, something the old line Tigers take like a cholonoscapy. Walters then resigns and Scott returns as AD. Scott will be played in the TV version by Mark Wahlberg and Jack Nicholson agrees to a one time role as Walters.
OK--so its Doug Gottlieb who knows everything better than any present coach.
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Big R&B Truth
Masters Student
Posts: 427
Loc: Back Waters of New Englan...
Reg: 11-23-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-22-07 02:53 AM - Post#33893
In response to Acobj
Is Kareem still available or is he still coaching Native Americans?
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Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts: 4006
Reg: 11-23-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-22-07 05:52 PM - Post#33894
In response to Big R&B Truth
Jim Herrick is available, his son could join the faculty.
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Howard Gensler
Postdoc
Posts: 4141
Reg: 11-21-04
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A national search...
03-22-07 10:01 PM - Post#33895
In response to Old Bear
Having recently gone through the posturing of a coaching search at Penn I'm curious what is actually going on at Princeton. Suffice it to say I believe half of what I hear and less of what I read.
If Sydney Johnson is really a favorite, one can reasonably assume that there has been some discussion between Walters and JT3. This, however, does not go with the notion of Princeton holding a national search as Walters stated.
A national search means weeding through 200+ resumes, holding interviews, second interviews, etc. You'll have a new coach in late-April/May. If you hold a national search, you can't end up with Sydney Johnson - a young, second assistant with no head coaching experience. Sure, we've all seen this process where a search merely takes everyone back to the beginning and the standard-issue quote, "We talked with all the best people interested and it made us realize that Sydney was the best choice, yadda yadda yadda," but everyione knows at that point the fix was in.
If Sydney's the guy, you give Sydney the job without wasting a lot of people's time and money.
Now, if the JT3s are pushing Johnson (or Burke) and you don't pick one of them and go outside the family, you are unequivocally cutting the ties and possibly damaging relations with JT3, Mooney, Carmody, etc.
It's no secret that there was a fair amount of unhappiness at Penn, right or wrong, when Bilsky picked Miller over O'Hanlon, Donahue, Duke, etc., and others with Penn/Dunphy connections. It's a tough choice for an AD to make, weighing what's safe, what's politically acceptable and what may have the biggest payoff.
Since it would be really bad form to talk to Johnson or Burke while Georgetown is still playing, it is possible that Walters will use the next week or two for the "national" part of his search (see if some surprise gem throws his hat in) then narrow his list down to a few finalists (including someone from Georgetown). But tradition says that when you go "national" you don't end up with an in-house favorite. The longer this goes on after Georgetown is eliminated or wins it all, the less likely the Tigers end up with Johnson or Burke (or Mooney, Henderson, etc.).
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Bruno
PhD Student
Posts: 1423
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: A national search...
03-23-07 01:51 AM - Post#33896
In response to Howard Gensler
I agree with most of this, particularly the part about using the time that's available to "nationalize" the search, see if a gem falls into their laps. But otherwise, I'd expect one of the family to already be loaded, with the announcement pending G'town's getting bounced from the NCAA's.
(I'm torn on what to root for - I have G'town winning it all in my pool, so I want them to stay. Then again, if they lose, it will expedite the hiring of Johnson or Burke and take the focus off of Robinson more quickly.)
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stevemerk
goober
Posts: 79
Reg: 02-06-07
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-23-07 03:01 PM - Post#33897
In response to Howard Gensler
Thanks for bringing up my name! They would never consider me but I will say this...no matter who they hire, I will have much more experience...25 years. I have coaching experience at Roselle Catholic HS, Paterson Catholic HS, St.Benedict's Prep and Bishop Gorman HS. On the college level at Rutgers University and on the pro level with the United States Basketball League, CBA and Atlantic Basketball Association.
And the real "kicker" is that I work on campus!!! When I first came to Princeton, I sent my resume to Scott and Walters telling them that I would be willing to volunteer my services...I never ever got an acknowlegment letter in return.
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seas2k4
Junior
Posts: 274
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: New Coach Candidates
03-23-07 03:13 PM - Post#33898
In response to stevemerk
How about Dave Duke? Or Gil Jackson?
Both with obvious Ivy credentials, both with knowledge of the Princeton offense...
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