roger
newbie
Posts: 27
Reg: 12-12-04
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03-22-07 04:02 AM - Post#33950
So what's the status of the players who dropped out?
I believe that Harrison Schaen is still on campus...would he qualify as a junior or senior and would he be eligible to play? And what about Okafor and Eckeruo? Good recruits, I'd say.
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roger
newbie
Posts: 27
Reg: 12-12-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-22-07 04:28 AM - Post#33951
In response to roger
If Harrison Schaen would play...could play...that would be pretty exciting. What a story that would be.
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Brian Martin
Masters Student
Posts: 963
Loc: Washington, DC
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-22-07 03:11 PM - Post#33952
In response to roger
I would not count on any of them coming back, but it is at least possible under a new coach.
Schaen has one year of eligibility. Okafor and Kestler would have three years under NCAA rules, but only four more semesters on campus under Princeton rules. There are a few other former recruits still on campus as well.
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joe nassau
Sophomore
Posts: 150
Reg: 02-13-05
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Re: lost players, found...
03-22-07 03:36 PM - Post#33953
In response to Brian Martin
I remember Harrison Schaen throwing down an alley-oop dunk his freshman year (probably the only one in recent PU history), and that Alex Okafor had a nasty hitch in his shot, but both were more athletic than they were given credit for. It would be a good pr thing for the program too, recovering two of the three African-American players that quit the team. And what about that Wilson guy? You could make a decent team out of the players that quit...
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sparman
PhD Student
Posts: 1347
Reg: 12-08-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 01:02 PM - Post#33954
In response to joe nassau
According to the Prince article of 3/26, Noah Levine is thinking about asking to try out next year.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32835
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 01:37 PM - Post#33955
In response to sparman
That article is most notable for the bile expressed by Judson Wallace. You have to give him credit for keeping it bottled up so long...when he had this inside:
"Knowing the type of person he is," Wallace added, "I can easily see how Joe Scott could talk and talk about having guts and character and always be talking down to people, then run like a scared child from the pressure of a tough situation."
Wow....but I think most people will agree that Wallace and the other seniors from Scott's first Princeton team have a reason to feel betrayed and angry.
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mmp629
Junior
Posts: 259
Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 02:59 PM - Post#33956
In response to palestra38
I don't blame Judson at all. My god, the arrogance of Scott to behave as if he had to "rebuild" a program that won the Ivy championship. And I really don't care much about Bob Scrabis's opinion of Joe as a player 20 years ago...
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1LotteryPick1969
Postdoc
Posts: 2275
Age: 73
Loc: Sandy, Utah
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 03:33 PM - Post#33957
In response to mmp629
We all knew from previous quotations that Judson was keeping something in. His statements confirm the obvious. Also telling are the statements of Luke Owings, and by extrapolation, those of Max Schaeffer regarding JTIII.
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mmp629
Junior
Posts: 259
Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 04:04 PM - Post#33958
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I have to think that there is a bit of politics in some of the players' responses. The team finishes 2-12 in the Ivy league and Koncz is giving Scott a great review??
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The Willow
Masters Student
Posts: 402
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 04:19 PM - Post#33959
In response to palestra38
Quote:
"Knowing the type of person he is," Wallace added, "I can easily see how Joe Scott could talk and talk about having guts and character and always be talking down to people, then run like a scared child from the pressure of a tough situation."
Wow. I think I just earned a little admiration for Judson Wallace.
Nope. Still hate him. But I always felt bad for him his senior year.
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Anonymous
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 05:45 PM - Post#33960
In response to mmp629
Why are we lauding Wallace? The guy has said for three years he doesn't want to talk about it but now he kicks Scott when he is down? Pretty cowardly from Wallace if you ask me. I'm not saying Wallace isn't correct (I certainly don't know whether he is or not), but if you're going to say what he said, say it when after your senior season, not wait a while so you can say it when there are no repercussions.
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mmp629
Junior
Posts: 259
Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 06:01 PM - Post#33961
In response to
Joe Scott is down? Joe Scott has a new job in Denver. the program he coached into the Ivy cellar is "down."
I think Wallace had to be careful what he said, as he had teammates who were still playing under Scott and who might have paid a price for his frankness.
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Anonymous
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 06:04 PM - Post#33962
In response to mmp629
Joe Scott has a new job in Denver because the Denver athletic administration is moronic, to say the least. Seeing what happened when Joe Scott touched his alma mater, seeing him basically pull a Baltimore Colts with the way he left his team (without announcing beforehand) and hearing what kind of ego he has and how much of a hit it must have taken for him to leave PU, tacitly admitting failure, and joining a joke of a school, shows me that he's down even though he is still employed.
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mmp629
Junior
Posts: 259
Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 06:29 PM - Post#33963
In response to
I'm guessing by your screen name that you are a penn fan (duh). Trust me - after watching this guy abuse players for about 20 games or so, I have not one iota of sympathy for him. Mine is all saved for the players and fans.
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sparman
PhD Student
Posts: 1347
Reg: 12-08-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-26-07 08:22 PM - Post#33964
In response to
I think Wallace is in the same situation faced by many players - theoretically it may sound principled, but it's not realistic, to ask a 21 year-old to start publicly criticizing a coach while he's still at school or shortly thereafter. Even when he had graduated, many of his friends were still on the team and I don't think he could have been very specific without creating (or thinking he was creating) problems for them, which I suspect they asked him not to do so their efforts to remain in good standing on the team were not in vain. We all know that the concept of face to face criticism, while theoretically the right approach, doesn't always work so well in supposedly professional work environments, too - it's a fact of life.
IMO it would have been better for Wallace not to speak so openly even now, because it doesn't accomplish much. The coach is gone. It's rarely a good idea to publicly burn bridges, especially gratuitously. It would have been one thing for him to communicate opinions quietly with the AD if the issue of whether to keep the coach were still at the fore. I don't begrudge him his opinions at all, nor do I necessarily disagree (speaking as observer, obviously no first hand knowledge), just the circumstances of expressing them.
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Tigers
newbie
Posts: 13
Reg: 01-11-05
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Re: lost players, found...
03-27-07 04:53 PM - Post#33965
In response to The Willow
I, for one am glad some of these remarks from former players are now surfacing. It is what many of us thought all along.
Too many players left the team for there not be a problem with Scott.
These guys were not giving 100%, if they were, we are really short on talent.
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Philsoc8
Freshman
Posts: 40
Reg: 12-23-05
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Re: lost players, found...
03-28-07 11:57 AM - Post#33966
In response to Tigers
Quote:
I, for one am glad some of these remarks from former players are now surfacing. It is what many of us thought all along.
Too many players left the team for there not be a problem with Scott.
These guys were not giving 100%, if they were, we are really short on talent.
I think they were giving 100%, but I also think we are short on talent. The one thing that everyone can agree on is that Scott has been a terrible recruiter, both directly and, by virtue of his demeanor with his team, indirectly.
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SFlaQuaker
Postdoc
Posts: 2427
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: lost players, found...
03-28-07 12:14 PM - Post#33967
In response to Philsoc8
And again, the biggest factor leading to poor recruiting is the losing.
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