palestra38
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11-22-21 01:25 PM - Post#329540
So now, I think it is very clear that this is the toughest Penn schedule of all time. Up to the start of Ivy play--here are the games an Pomeroys:
Fla St-27
GMU- 138
Bucknell- 298
Lafayette- 315
Utah St--65
Davidson--83
Towson--215
Arkansas-23
Villanova--8
Temple--128
St. Joe's-239
LaSalle--217
James Madison--173 (and 4-0)
If anything, these numbers are understated, because the Big 5 opponents other than Nova are coming off down years and probably all are mid 100s. And only 3 home games in the bunch, one being Nova. But never do I remember a schedule this crazily top heavy with 5 top 100 teams and other than the 2 Patriot League games, all are major programs. If we are anywhere near .500 when we play Brown, it will be an outstanding result.
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10Q
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11-22-21 01:31 PM - Post#329541
In response to palestra38
What about Old Dominion?
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palestra38
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11-22-21 01:35 PM - Post#329543
In response to 10Q
185--missed it
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penn nation
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Re: This Crazy Schedule
11-22-21 01:43 PM - Post#329547
In response to palestra38
SD had made some sort of comment that the Quakers would end up with one of the toughest OOC schedules in the country by the team league play began.
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penn nation
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11-22-21 01:49 PM - Post#329551
In response to penn nation
Torvik has Penn's strength of non-conference schedule as 64 (of teams already played), but it's 32 if you look at the entire schedule.
Edited by penn nation on 11-22-21 01:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SteveChop
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11-22-21 03:25 PM - Post#329558
In response to 10Q
And Howard?
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penn nation
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11-22-21 03:25 PM - Post#329559
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No longer a poster.
Oh.
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palestra38
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11-22-21 03:55 PM - Post#329561
In response to penn nation
He should be, given how much Kinder and Gentler we are these days.
Steve--I was listing the games until we open our Ivy season. But yes, Howard is a lower rated team.
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13otto
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01-07-22 10:13 PM - Post#332634
In response to palestra38
Looks like the Tom Izzo theory of playing a tough non-conference schedule is paying off at the start of Ivy play….
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LyleGold
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01-07-22 10:19 PM - Post#332637
In response to 13otto
Yup, just commented on that on the other thread. I support our coach fully. Let’s let this season play out before discussing his situation. He’ll be back next year anyhow, so what’s the point?
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andybech
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01-08-22 02:00 PM - Post#332694
In response to LyleGold
Helps that our first 4 Ivy games are the 4 worst teams at home. We really need to be 4-0 in this stretch but probably won't know how good the team is until the Princeton game.
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palestra38
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01-08-22 03:39 PM - Post#332711
In response to andybech
Brown is not among the four worst
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SomeGuy
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01-08-22 04:09 PM - Post#332719
In response to andybech
Brown has the second highest rating in kenpom, behind Princeton. They are all the way up to 153. That’s 40 something places ahead of Harvard.
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PennFan10
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01-08-22 04:41 PM - Post#332724
In response to SomeGuy
The best win so far is Brown @Harvard. Holding serve at home in league play is a given if you want to be in the ILT. Contending for the ILT requires being able to win on the road. Beating Brown doesn't give me more hope, it just gave me less anxiety.
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SomeGuy
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01-08-22 04:49 PM - Post#332730
In response to PennFan10
I don’t disagree with that. However, I think the league is tight enough that there will probably be more home losses than usual for the top teams. I suspect everyone will lose at least one home game in conference this year. Though I guess home teams are 4 of 5 so far, so who knows.
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andybech
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01-08-22 05:03 PM - Post#332731
In response to SomeGuy
Preseason Brown was voted 5th and the schedule has been so crazy it is hard to know if they are better than that. I would take most of the ratings with a grain of salt as COVID has shuffled lots of rosters.
Penn is not that good. Still see them as a 4/5 team that can't really defend. Getting in the Ivies may help them because they can play more zone and they do have some size in their guards that can cause mismatches.
This is definitely a schedule where going only 3-1 in the first 4 games would put Penn on a precarious path towards making the top 4. Brown may be a little better and some other teams a bit worse, but it is not as if much has changed dramatically.
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SomeGuy
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01-08-22 05:26 PM - Post#332733
In response to andybech
We played quite a bit of zone out of conference, and have played none in the first two conference games. My expectation is that we are more or less done with zone, and I frankly would be shocked if we did it for more than just a very occasional change of pace. Zone doesn’t really solve our defensive weaknesses — I think it actually further exposes them.
As for how things have changed, we’ll see. Princeton, Harvard, and Yale have played nowhere close to past versions thus far (and neither has Penn). For Harvard, Yale, and Penn, this is the lowest rated squad in some time. Yes, they have to be beaten on the court for Brown to pass one of them, and it may not happen. But it is much, much closer than it has been in a long time.
Edited by SomeGuy on 01-08-22 05:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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PennFan10
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01-08-22 05:36 PM - Post#332736
In response to andybech
Penn is not that good. Still see them as a 4/5 team that can't really defend. Getting in the Ivies may help them because they can play more zone and they do have some size in their guards that can cause mismatches.
Penn is not a zone team. They won't play much, if any during league play. Funny about the defensive perception because here is SD's quotes from last nights game:
“I think it’s prepared us for this, and what you saw over the last couple games is we really guard,” Donahue said. “We have experience now for what we’ve been through to really compete on the defensive end, and every night, I think we have enough to score based on who’s playing well."
“I felt comfortable tonight going to 10 guys, and I think you’ll see that going forward.”
Steve clearly thinks this is a strong defensive team. We did hold Brown to a lower point total than Harvard or UNC did. And Cornell had their second worst output of the season against us.
The Quakers have played winning defense in their first 2 IL contests after looking porous at best through a tough non Con schedule.
Let's see if that holds
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SomeGuy
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01-08-22 05:47 PM - Post#332738
In response to PennFan10
I didn’t read much into the Brown game, because Brown isn’t a particularly strong offensive team. But Cornell is better. So that is a good indicator of something meaningful. Some of it is playing better as a team — we are having fewer instances of confusion where a switch leaves us scrambling. But some of it could be the presence of Smith for 35 minutes a night. And some of it is Mosh. For the last couple of games, he’s suddenly been doing a decent AJ impression on defense, in addition to all he’s been doing on the offensive end.
Hope it continues.
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01-08-22 06:02 PM - Post#332741
In response to PennFan10
Penn is not that good. Still see them as a 4/5 team that can't really defend. Getting in the Ivies may help them because they can play more zone and they do have some size in their guards that can cause mismatches.
Penn is not a zone team. They won't play much, if any during league play. Funny about the defensive perception because here is SD's quotes from last nights game:
“I think it’s prepared us for this, and what you saw over the last couple games is we really guard,” Donahue said. “We have experience now for what we’ve been through to really compete on the defensive end, and every night, I think we have enough to score based on who’s playing well."
“I felt comfortable tonight going to 10 guys, and I think you’ll see that going forward.”
Steve clearly thinks this is a strong defensive team. We did hold Brown to a lower point total than Harvard or UNC did. And Cornell had their second worst output of the season against us.
The Quakers have played winning defense in their first 2 IL contests after looking porous at best through a tough non Con schedule.
Let's see if that holds
Don’t know if it’s a strong defensive team but they are hustling and grinding. I agree holding Cornell to under 70 was a good effort.
Beating Columbia tonight and starting 3-0 is not insignificant after what they struggled through earlier.
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