PennFan10
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03-27-21 10:04 PM - Post#322567
In response to palestra38
There will be 1,200 transfers in the portal by next weekend. Scholarships are going to be very hard to come by for HS seniors.
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palestra38
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03-28-21 06:51 AM - Post#322570
In response to PennFan10
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/a-day-of-ncaa- chaos-o...
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PennFan10
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03-28-21 07:38 PM - Post#322576
In response to palestra38
Pirorities for college coaches 10 years ago were
1. HS Seniors
2. Prep School players
3. JUCO
Now its:
1. Grad Transfer
2. Undergrad Transfer
3. Prep School
4. JUCO
5. HS Senior (other than the top 100)
Its a new world
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palestra38
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03-28-21 07:44 PM - Post#322577
In response to PennFan10
No question. Speaking of which, Mike Smith, whose game I have loved ever since I first saw him tear up Penn, is in the Final 8 as the rock in the Michigan team, fearlessly leading them as a pass-first point guard. Just got some bad breaks with injuries and transfers at Columbia, but could have easily won a title here with a little luck. Imagine a team with Tape, Stefanini, Adlesh and Meisner with Smith----actually it happened in '17-'18 when Tape and Stefanini were freshmen, but it never had a chance to develop as Smith got hurt the next year and Tape left as did Stefanini. Could have been a great team.
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Columbia 37P6
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03-28-21 08:55 PM - Post#322578
In response to palestra38
Yes, I agree with palestra38 that Columbia (Smith)"... could have easily won a title here with a little luck," but that overlooks the fact that during Smith's first year at Columbia, his teammates included Luke Petrasek, Lukas Meisner, Jeff Coby, Hickman, Adlesh , Tape, McComber and several other talented players and yet the Lions finished 5-9 in the Ivy League. So Mike Smith was surrounded with skilled players from day one and yet the Lions didn't even make the Ivy League Tournament. With hindsight, I would say that Columbia's horrid record the past several years was primarily the result of poor coaching. Hopefully, that will change the comping season as the Lions have added two highly respected assistant coaches to the coaching staff and the recruits look very promising. Hopefully, the new beefed up Coaching Staff will turn things around quickly
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Dr. V
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03-29-21 01:40 PM - Post#322586
In response to Columbia 37P6
You would like to think that one's own fans would have the facts straight. Smith's first year was the year after the Lo/Mullins/Rosie team. So in Smith's first year, only one of the players from the previous year who had started at least 10 games was still on the team. Lo, Mullins, Rosie and Cohen graduated and Castlin was injured and lost for the year, so we had exactly one player who had started at least 10 games the preceding year, namely, Petrasek. Some of the players you mentioned developed later, others did not. In that first year, Tape averaged 3.6 points a game.
I don't know whether any of our teams with Smith could have won a title, but it is a fact that Smith was lost for the year when Stefanini was coming into his own and then Stefanini and Tape were lost for the year after Smith had come into his own and that that made a huge difference as those were our three best players in those years.
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palestra38
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03-29-21 01:50 PM - Post#322588
In response to Dr. V
You are correct, but my real point was that Smith always was one of the best players in the League---as a Penn fan, I feared him more than any other player because of his speed and skills and because of matchups. There were guys who could cover Aiken, Towns or Oni and although they were great players who on a given day could simply beat you with contested shots, Smith was a much tougher guy to contain. The problem Columbia had, as you note, was that because of the lack of other healthy talent, he had to do too much. As you see with Michigan, when he has guys who are efficient offensive players, he shines.
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Dr. V
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03-29-21 10:49 PM - Post#322599
In response to palestra38
Agree completely.
Further, although I did not have any doubts about Smith’s offensive abilities, particularly his floor general skills, I did have some concerns about his ability to go up against Big Ten guards defensively. But he has held his own. It obviously helps a great deal that he is playing with a couple of very good and very big defensive players, but still. That he has managed to hold his own defensively is impressive.
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SomeGuy
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03-30-21 04:14 PM - Post#322636
In response to Dr. V
I think for Smith playing at a higher level on a team where he can be helped a little more defensively makes a big difference. Smith had to do everything at Columbia — be the leading scorer, run the offense, draw a tough defensive assignment (and always draw the opponent’s top defender). The fit at Michigan has been absolutely perfect.
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PennFan10
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Transfer List
03-30-21 09:37 PM - Post#322655
In response to Silver Maple
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Edited by PennFan10 on 03-30-21 09:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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rbg
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03-30-21 11:22 PM - Post#322658
In response to PennFan10
Men
Transferred
Paul Atkinson (Yale): Notre Dame
Brendan Barry (Dartmouth): Temple - played this season
Tai Bibbs (Columbia): Howard
Randy Brumant (Columbia): Howard
Jerome Desrosiers (Princeton): Hawaii
Matt DeWolf (Brown): Washington State
Danilo Djuricic (Harvard): Santa Clara
Rio Haskett (Harvard): Hampton
Chris Knight (Dartmouth): Loyola-Chicago
Terrance McBride (Cornell): Rice
Ryan Schwieger (Princeton): Loyola-Chicago
Joseph Smoyer (Columbia): Chaminade
Entered Transfer Portal
Jimmy Boeheim (Cornell)
Luke Bolster (Columbia)
Tamenang Choh (Brown)
Reed Farley (Harvard)
Jake Klores (Columbia)
Bryan Knapp (Cornell)
Aaryn Rai (Dartmouth)
Eddie Scott (Penn) - 2 years remaining
Jake Shaper (Brown)
Jarrod Simmons (Penn)
Gabe Stefanini (Columbia)
Riley Voss (Cornell)
Wyatt Yess (Yale)
Returning
Jameel Alausa (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Charlie Bagin (Princeton) - taking year off, probably returning in 2021-2022
Elijah Barnes (Princeton) - taking year off, probably returning in 2021-2022
Jalen Gabbidon (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Azar Swain (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Unclear
Mark Jackson (Penn)
EJ Perry (Brown)
Ben Swett (Dartmouth)
Jelani Williams (Penn) - possibly staying for 5th year in 2021-2022
Women
Transferred
Jadyn Bush (Harvard): Cal - 2 years remaining
Riley Casey (Columbia): William & Mary
McKenna Dale (Brown): Virginia - 2 years remaining
Carlie Littlefield (Princeton): North Carolina
Eleah Parker (Penn): Virginia
Kate Sramac (Cornell): William & Mary
Entered Transfer Portal
Maria Guramare (Harvard)
Katie Kinum (Penn)
Dominique Leonidas (Brown)
Anna Luce (Dartmouth)
Madison Pack (Columbia)
Asha Taylor (Dartmouth) - graduating after junior year, will have 2 years remaining
Returning
Alex Cade (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Rachel Levy (Harvard) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Maddie Stuhlreyer (Harvard) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Not Returning
Tori Andrew (Yale) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Ellen Margaret Andrews (Yale) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022 (possibly has 2 years of eligibility - injured after 5 games in her sophomore year)
Sydney Boyer (Princeton) - enrolled, not entering transfer portal
Tori Crawford (Penn) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Christina Dicindio (Penn) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
McKenna Haire (Princeton) - enrolled, not entering transfer portal
Michae Jones (Penn) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Andrea McCormick (Columbia) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Halley Miklos (Cornell) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Matilda Salen (Harvard) - enrolled, not entering transfer portal
Kallin Spiller (Columbia) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Unclear
Elle Louie (Dartmouth)
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rbg
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04-02-21 12:26 PM - Post#322845
In response to rbg
No transfer news, but an update on two members of the Yale women's team (Tori Andrew and Ellen Margaret Andrews) and the Dartmouth women's team (Elle Louie)
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/03/31/tori- and...
- Forward Alex Cade ’22 — originally a member of Andrew and Andrews’s recruiting class — decided to take a year off to preserve her senior season. Both Andrew and Andrews, however, decided against time off to graduate on time and begin the next stage of their lives. Andrew plans to start law school this fall, while Andrews is heading to Newark, New Jersey to serve as an elementary school teacher as a part of Teach for America. -
https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2021/2/22/womens -...
- DS: What are your plans after Dartmouth (as much as you can plan for anything during this pandemic)?
EL: I'm pursuing a career in engineering and computer science. -
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rbg
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04-02-21 12:34 PM - Post#322848
In response to rbg
Men
Transferred
Paul Atkinson (Yale): Notre Dame
Brendan Barry (Dartmouth): Temple - played this season
Tai Bibbs (Columbia): Howard
Randy Brumant (Columbia): Howard
Jerome Desrosiers (Princeton): Hawaii
Matt DeWolf (Brown): Washington State
Danilo Djuricic (Harvard): Santa Clara
Rio Haskett (Harvard): Hampton
Chris Knight (Dartmouth): Loyola-Chicago
Terrance McBride (Cornell): Rice
Ryan Schwieger (Princeton): Loyola-Chicago
Joseph Smoyer (Columbia): Chaminade
Entered Transfer Portal
Jimmy Boeheim (Cornell)
Luke Bolster (Columbia)
Tamenang Choh (Brown)
Reed Farley (Harvard)
Jake Klores (Columbia)
Bryan Knapp (Cornell)
Aaryn Rai (Dartmouth)
Eddie Scott (Penn) - 2 years remaining
Jake Shaper (Brown)
Jarrod Simmons (Penn)
Gabe Stefanini (Columbia)
Riley Voss (Cornell)
Wyatt Yess (Yale)
Returning
Jameel Alausa (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Charlie Bagin (Princeton) - taking year off, probably returning in 2021-2022
Elijah Barnes (Princeton) - taking year off, probably returning in 2021-2022
Jalen Gabbidon (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Azar Swain (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Unclear
Mark Jackson (Penn)
EJ Perry (Brown)
Ben Swett (Dartmouth)
Jelani Williams (Penn) - possibly staying for 5th year in 2021-2022
Women
Transferred
Jadyn Bush (Harvard): Cal - 2 years remaining
Riley Casey (Columbia): William & Mary
McKenna Dale (Brown): Virginia - 2 years remaining
Carlie Littlefield (Princeton): North Carolina
Eleah Parker (Penn): Virginia
Kate Sramac (Cornell): William & Mary
Entered Transfer Portal
Maria Guramare (Harvard)
Katie Kinum (Penn)
Dominique Leonidas (Brown)
Anna Luce (Dartmouth)
Madison Pack (Columbia)
Asha Taylor (Dartmouth) - graduating after junior year, will have 2 years remaining
Returning
Alex Cade (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Rachel Levy (Harvard) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Maddie Stuhlreyer (Harvard) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Not Returning
Tori Andrew (Yale) - enrolled, law school in 2021-2022
Ellen Margaret Andrews (Yale) - enrolled, has 2 years of eligibility remaining, joining Teach for America in 2021-2022
Sydney Boyer (Princeton) - enrolled, not entering transfer portal
Tori Crawford (Penn) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Christina Dicindio (Penn) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
McKenna Haire (Princeton) - enrolled, not entering transfer portal
Michae Jones (Penn) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Elle Louie (Dartmouth) - working in engineering & computer science in 2021-2022
Andrea McCormick (Columbia) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Halley Miklos (Cornell) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Matilda Salen (Harvard) - enrolled, not entering transfer portal
Kallin Spiller (Columbia) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
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welcometothejungle
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04-02-21 03:31 PM - Post#322862
In response to rbg
https://twitter.com/coachdoty/status/1377 675380581...
Now up to 1,905 D1 players in the men's transfer portal and 1,208 in the women's transfer portal
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welcometothejungle
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04-08-21 10:09 AM - Post#323022
In response to welcometothejungle
https://twitter.com/HawaiiWBB/status/1379 904958103...
https://twitter.com/HawaiiWBB/status/1379 905506286...
Kallin Spiller (Columbia) and McKenna Haire (Princeton) both headed to Hawaii as graduate transfers
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rbg
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04-09-21 12:53 PM - Post#323072
In response to welcometothejungle
Gabe Stefanini (Columbia) will transfer to the University of San Francisco.
Former Columbia and Duke forward Patrick Tape will also be going to USF.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1 380548206...
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
Columbia transfer Gabe Stefanini has committed to San Francisco, per his Instagram page.
11:48 AM · Apr 9, 2021
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1 380549141...
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
Duke transfer Patrick Tape has also committed to San Francisco, per the Instagram post below.
Big AM for Todd Golden and the Dons.
11:52 AM · Apr 9, 2021
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rbg
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04-09-21 06:41 PM - Post#323079
In response to rbg
Men
Transferred
Paul Atkinson (Yale): Notre Dame
Brendan Barry (Dartmouth): Temple - played this season
Tai Bibbs (Columbia): Howard
Randy Brumant (Columbia): Howard
Jerome Desrosiers (Princeton): Hawaii
Matt DeWolf (Brown): Washington State
Danilo Djuricic (Harvard): Santa Clara
Rio Haskett (Harvard): Hampton
Chris Knight (Dartmouth): Loyola-Chicago
Terrance McBride (Cornell): Rice
Ryan Schwieger (Princeton): Loyola-Chicago
Joseph Smoyer (Columbia): Chaminade
Gabe Stefanini (Columbia): San Francisco
Entered Transfer Portal
Jimmy Boeheim (Cornell)
Luke Bolster (Columbia)
Tamenang Choh (Brown)
Reed Farley (Harvard)
Jake Klores (Columbia)
Bryan Knapp (Cornell)
Aaryn Rai (Dartmouth)
Eddie Scott (Penn) - 2 years remaining
Jake Shaper (Brown)
Jarrod Simmons (Penn)
Riley Voss (Cornell)
Wyatt Yess (Yale)
Returning
Jameel Alausa (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Charlie Bagin (Princeton) - taking year off, probably returning in 2021-2022
Elijah Barnes (Princeton) - taking year off, probably returning in 2021-2022
Jalen Gabbidon (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Azar Swain (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Unclear
Mark Jackson (Penn)
EJ Perry (Brown)
Ben Swett (Dartmouth)
Jelani Williams (Penn) - possibly staying for 5th year in 2021-2022
Women
Transferred
Jadyn Bush (Harvard): Cal - 2 years remaining
Riley Casey (Columbia): William & Mary
McKenna Dale (Brown): Virginia - 2 years remaining
McKenna Haire (Princeton): Hawaii
Carlie Littlefield (Princeton): North Carolina
Anna Luce (Dartmouth): San Jose State
Eleah Parker (Penn): Virginia
Kallin Spiller (Columbia): Hawaii
Kate Sramac (Cornell): William & Mary
Entered Transfer Portal
Maria Guramare (Harvard)
Katie Kinum (Penn)
Dominique Leonidas (Brown)
Madison Pack (Columbia)
Asha Taylor (Dartmouth) - graduating after junior year, will have 2 years remaining
Returning
Alex Cade (Yale) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Rachel Levy (Harvard) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Maddie Stuhlreyer (Harvard) - taking year off, returning in 2021-2022
Not Returning
Tori Andrew (Yale) - enrolled, law school in 2021-2022
Ellen Margaret Andrews (Yale) - enrolled, has 2 years of eligibility remaining, joining Teach for America in 2021-2022
Sydney Boyer (Princeton) - enrolled, not entering transfer portal
Tori Crawford (Penn) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Christina Dicindio (Penn) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Michae Jones (Penn) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Elle Louie (Dartmouth) - working in engineering & computer science in 2021-2022
Andrea McCormick (Columbia) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Halley Miklos (Cornell) - enrolled, no decision announced for 2021-2022
Matilda Salen (Harvard) - enrolled, not entering transfer portal
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bradley
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04-11-21 07:16 PM - Post#323124
In response to rbg
Finally looked at transfer list. IL is losing a LOT of talent both men and women between transfers and opting out. Going to be an interesting season to put it mildly.
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palestra38
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04-11-21 07:45 PM - Post#323126
In response to bradley
And the likelihood is that this will become typical for our best talent--get an Ivy degree and finish with free graduate school and for many of our best, Power-5 basketball
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mrjames
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04-11-21 07:53 PM - Post#323127
In response to bradley
On the men's side... are there any losses beyond the players that were seniors this season anyway?
I mean, the 2016 class was the much tougher one to lose, and it looks like the league will retain two of the six players from the 2017 class to earn All-Ivy honors in 2020 (Swain and Gabbidon).
The flip side, also, is that we're getting two classes instead of one with a lot of talent in them.
So far, so good, to be honest. The doomsday scenario that some folks feared was that non-seniors would transfer or recruiting would be impacted due to the decision made this year. Haven't seen much of that, so we're actually in pretty good shape.
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