james
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03-26-24 01:31 PM - Post#366515
In response to james
no yale fan is feeling good on the topic. i started posting on this many months ago.
pretty sure i started the first discussion.
i coach kids who are offered NIL as have my children.
was way out in front of it and not in denial
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james
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03-26-24 01:37 PM - Post#366516
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i also have informally advised a group trying to start a collective for yale basketball.
there are roadblocks and the big money bball alums are mostly complacent.
others have detailed the tax implications of financial aid packages so i wont.
samson aletan was pitching chicken fingers on instagram during the ncaas
all are equally vulnerable.
i can make the case this undercuts HYP the most bc they dont take transfers generally
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palestra38
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03-26-24 01:37 PM - Post#366517
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Jay Wright was farther in front of it than anyone. Quit after a Final Four and preserved his legacy while still relatively young. He saw what was coming and that his style of grooming players for 2 years on the bench and keeping them for 4-5 years was never going to work in the NIL era.
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james
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03-26-24 01:43 PM - Post#366518
In response to palestra38
if you sit in Atlanta and care at all about SEC football this has been going on for 2 -3 years
coack k
roy williams
nick saban
all saw the writing on the wall also if not as early as jay wright
they all paid players their way and now they lost their edge
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james
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03-26-24 01:46 PM - Post#366519
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for fun search on x for the collectives affiliated with each school and or sport
its a high quality group particularly the auburn bball guy
like the wild west
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palestra38
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03-26-24 01:46 PM - Post#366520
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The irony of the situation was that Calipari was the best in the world at illegal payments but doesn't know what to do with the legal ones.
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penn nation
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03-26-24 02:07 PM - Post#366525
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Yeah, Wolf is from Glencoe--very high SES (I grew up in the next town over), went to private Jewish day school, went to prep school.
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-26-24 02:26 PM - Post#366528
In response to penn nation
Yeah, Wolf is from Glencoe--very high SES (I grew up in the next town over), went to private Jewish day school, went to prep school.
So he is probably a full pay; NIL money from a co-op would not impact any putative financial aid package -BUT-there is no co-op to provide the NIL money.
On a different subject, I know that Johns Hopkins is D-1 in lacrosse, D2 (or D3?) in everything else. Could the Ivies move to D2 in basketball and football and remain D1 in everything else?
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iogyhufi
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03-26-24 03:26 PM - Post#366536
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I remain an optimist about all of this. For one, it would not at all surprise me to see Congress step in and handle college sports and its various problems in the next 2-5 years (though we should be careful what we wish for). For another, I think the Ivy alumni will eventually get their wagons circled on the NIL thing. The fact that the Ivy League is behind the times shouldn't be surprising, but I think there are too many alumni who wouldn't want to see the D2 nuclear option happen.
Of course, I've been wrong before.
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umbrellaman
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03-26-24 03:52 PM - Post#366537
In response to iogyhufi
I will admit to not having run through all the permutations on all this, but how is going to D2 or D3 going to be better than the worst case scenario staying in D1? We fell behind when schools got really expensive and no scholarships, and started to catch up when financial aid became much more generous. Relying on recruiting players who want to play 4 years and get an Ivy degree has always been more or less part of the equation.
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sparman
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'24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-26-24 04:03 PM - Post#366538
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
On a different subject, I know that Johns Hopkins is D-1 in lacrosse, D2 (or D3?) in everything else. Could the Ivies move to D2 in basketball and football and remain D1 in everything else?
Not under current NCAA rules. The original D3/D1 split schools were grandfathered in at the time - Hobart, JHU (lacrosse) Colorado College (womens hockey and soccer) and RPI (hockey), think there may be a few others. But I have been wondering the same thing - does the changing landscape lead to an NCAA rule change? I don't see that D2 accomplishes much and the conferences don't seem ivy-image compatible, but D3 might be doable.
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palestra38
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Re: '24-'25 Transfer Portal
03-26-24 04:09 PM - Post#366539
In response to sparman
Better to sit back and wait for Division 1 to splinter as it did in football. There will be a place for us (not that I'm thinking the climax of West Side Story). Division 3 is not going to happen.
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CM
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03-26-24 04:47 PM - Post#366545
In response to Silver Maple
There are an increasing number of Ivy athletes who are tired of being asked to compete on the D1 level while being treated by their schools as D3 athletes.
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penn nation
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03-26-24 04:48 PM - Post#366546
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I was thinking of that last night when watching Kayla Padilla play, she has mentioned this.
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CM
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03-26-24 04:50 PM - Post#366548
In response to palestra38
Well, he got Oscar Tshiebwe to stay another year by filling his pockets to the brim. And he's had top 5 recruiting classes for as far back as you care to go (including next year). So pretty sure Cal can still get the payments to clear. He might just not be that great an actual basketball coach.
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palestra38
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03-26-24 04:52 PM - Post#366552
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Except as Cal accurately pointed out--you can't win with 18-19 year olds when the competition has 24 year old men out there. Cal will have to start buying veteran talent, but if he does that, the best high school players won't go because they don't want to sit on the bench (although it would be good for their game).
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CM
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03-26-24 05:04 PM - Post#366560
In response to palestra38
t's true. He basically has to decide what's more important: getting top recruits and sending them or the NBA after one year or winning more titles. Big Blue Nation is clearly more interested in the latter.
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james
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03-26-24 06:28 PM - Post#366567
In response to CM
i agree with you here.
it used to be kind of cute. now it's ridiculous
case in point: at yale the basketball team typically makes money net of expenses if you they get two high profile pay games per annum.
yet you put a 60 year old coach and his 7 ft center , etc on a connecting commercial flight to get to say lawrence kansas.
the revenue is redustributed throughout the athletic dept to fund like 34 sports.
this is very irritating to the coach and player as it should be especially when considering to fill out a schedule they have to do a fair amount of this type of travel.
on nil collectives, i have been disappointed by the bball alums eith means who have expressed little interest at this stage.
i think we need some bad catalysts (transfers and/or this d2/d3 possibility to heat up) to get real momentum unfortunately and even then it might take time.
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Penn90
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03-27-24 10:15 AM - Post#366594
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The Athletic ranks Mack as top player in portal. Slajchert is 55.
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rbg
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03-27-24 12:23 PM - Post#366599
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MBB
Justice Ajogbor (Harvard; grad)
Matt Allocco (Princeton; grad)
Keller Boothby (Cornell; grad)
Darius Ervin (Cornell; grad)
Kimo Ferrari (Brown; grad)
Matt Filipowski (Harvard; junior - DNP '23-'24)
Isaiah Gray (Cornell; grad)
Sean Hansen (Cornell; grad)
Jaren Johnson (Dartmouth; grad)
Felix Kloman (Brown; grad)
Matt Knowling (Yale; grad)
Luke Kolaja (Yale; senior - DNP '23-'24)
Andrew Laczkowski (Penn; grad)
Malik Mack (Harvard; sophomore)
Chris Manon (Cornell; grad)
Zach Martini (Princeton; grad)
Zavian McClean (Columbia; grad)
Robert McCrae III (Dartmouth; grad)
Liam Murphy (Columbia; grad)
Dusan Neskovic (Dartmouth; grad)
Malachi Ndur (Brown; grad)
Josh Odunowo (Columbia; grad)
Nana Owusu-Anane (Brown; senior)
Tyler Perkins (Penn; soph)
Izaiah Robinson (Dartmouth; grad)
Sam Silverstein (Harvard; grad - DNP '23-'24)
Clark Slajchert (Penn; grad)
Evan Williams (Cornell; grad)
WBB
Mia Beam (Cornell; grad)
Mekkena Boyd (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaitlyn Chen (Princeton; grad)
Mia Curtis (Dartmouth; grad)
Kaya Ingram (Cornell; grad)
Charlotte Jewel (Brown; grad)
Kyla Jones (Brown; grad)
Mary Lobon (Columbia; grad)
Brenna McDonald (Yale; grad)
Chet Nweke (Princeton; grad)
Jordan Obi (Penn; grad)
Michaela Stanfield (Penn; grad)
Nicole Stephens (Columbia; grad)
Carrington Washburn (Dartmouth; grad)
Coaches
Brian Earl (Cornell) - College of William & Mary
Dayna Smith (Cornell) - ?
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